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it's known as both

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a paranormal hotspot and a living

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laboratory of anomalous phenomena

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to many of the indigenous ut tribe and

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navajo in this area

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it's been deemed a cursed land by a

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shape-shifting witch

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known as the skinwalker this

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is how the basin in the northwestern

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part of utah and

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more specifically a 512-acre property

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in the basin would eventually become

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known as

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skinwalker ranch original owner

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terry sherman got so spooked by the

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happenings on this new cattle ranch

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that 18 months after moving his family

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of four to the property

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he would pack up the family sell the

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ranch and

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never look back the shermans would share

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their

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terrifying tales of crop circles

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forming out of nowhere ufo sightings

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systematic and repeated mutilation of

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their cattle

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and strange shape-shifting creatures

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prowling the property

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as news spread it caught the attention

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of las vegas real estate magnate

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bigelow aerospace founder and ufo

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enthusiast

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robert bigelow bigelow purchased the

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property

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within three months of the sherman's

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departure

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under the name the national institute

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for discovery science or

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knit bigelow set up round-the-clock

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surveillance of the ranch

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hoping to get to the bottom of the

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paranormal claims

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at one point even the pentagon got

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involved

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in an interview with investigative

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reporter george knapp

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bigelow revealed that he had just

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created bass

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in offshoot of bigelow aerospace and

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that bass had entered into a partnership

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with an unnamed entity to study ufos

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and other strange phenomena the public

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didn't know at the time

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but one week earlier bigelow had signed

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a contract

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with the defense intelligence agency to

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carry out an

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investigation under the umbrella of osap

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the advanced aerospace weapons systems

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application

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program the impetus for the program

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had occurred a year earlier when a

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senior scientist from the dia

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visited skinwalker ranch and had a

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highly unusual encounter

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with an unknown intelligence the

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scientists returned to washington dc

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met with u.s senators harry reid daniel

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inyue

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and ted stevens and proposed the

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creation

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of a special classified study of ufos

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and related phenomena the three

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lawmakers agreed to sponsor

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such a program and secured 22 million

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dollars

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to fund it in the time of asap

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bass and the work being done by nids

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little can create physical evidence

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revealed itself

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at the ranch but the surveillance did

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yield a book

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hunt for the skinwalker in which many

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that investigated at the ranch

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did have meaningful and highly anomalous

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experiences

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that they shared in the book but as time

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bigelow decided to move on as well

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putting skinwalker ranch

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just like the sherman's up for sale

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enter brendan fuegle in 2016

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utah-based real estate mogul and

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investor fugl had a chance encounter

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with bigelow and decided to purchase the

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ranch as a complete

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skeptic but open to the possibility that

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something

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strange may be going on at this range

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fugle tightened up security hired a team

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of researchers to study the anomalies

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and helped launch the history channel

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television series

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the secret of skinwalker ranch to

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document the team's findings

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after a highly successful first season

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the team returns

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may 4th on the history channel for the

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season two premiere

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today brandon fugal joins us to talk

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all about what led him to purchase

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skinwalker ranch

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some of the compelling evidence he and

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the team have uncovered

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what's to come in season two and what

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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welcome everybody to somewhere in the

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skies and today we've got a

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really really cool episode for you guys

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i can't believe this is my first time

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talking to him we have the owner of skin

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walker ranch here with us today to talk

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all about

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you know the past history of what he's

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discovered so far

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at the ranch how he got involved with

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all this and what's to come in

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season two of the skinwalker television

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show on the history channel

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so we're going to dive right in so

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without further ado i'm going to bring

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brandon fiegel welcome to somewhere in

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the skies for the very first time

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hey it's good to be with you and looking

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forward to answering any questions you

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and and also addressing a lot of the

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that you've received from the audience

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listener questions for this one

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than any other episode including with

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you got him beat man so we'll we'll fire

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i'm pretty curious about um so i'll just

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the origin story how did it come to be

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um you purchasing the ranch uh maybe

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give us a little background of who you

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are where you grew up

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um and what ultimately led you to

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purchase this

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crazy spot in utah you bet well

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thank you i i've lived most of my life

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in a little town called pleasant grove

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utah with the exception of two years

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that i spent in hawaii as a

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missionary for the church of jesus

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christ of latter-day saints

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i was one of the lucky few to get called

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and served on oahu and big island but

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career young which is my primary

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area of focus i jumped into commercial

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one week out of high school and it

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adult life on corporate real estate

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exciting

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uh projects and and and visionaries and

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to uh to help them with their real

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estate strategies uh

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i have also ventured off into into other

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areas i've funded

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you know everything from software

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companies to you know renewable energy

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a scientific device company that i uh

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spun out of brigham young university

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that that is really exciting

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call to accent but through some of those

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to several scientists in fact about it

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over a decade ago i had been involved

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a gravitational uh physics

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lab and funding that effort and helping

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the relationships forged during that

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experience uh ended up leading me to the

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introduction to mr bigelow even though i

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had read the book

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back in i don't know 2006 2007

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uh yeah as a as a curiosity piece

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you know something that uh that is

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i really never imagined that i would

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to visit the ranch or converse with mr

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and in fact uh you have never had a ufo

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to acquiring the property and so uh

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take a meeting with mr bigelow

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to discuss a potential joint venture uh

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as they saw an opportunity to advance

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as uh as mr bigelow has focused most of

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his efforts on bigelow aerospace and his

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private you know space habitats program

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you know the inflatables program that he

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acquired from nasa

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they felt uh it was you know time for

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the the baton to be passed so to speak

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that grew into uh negotiation that led

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to my acquisition of the property and

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association to this day

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i have great respect for mr bigelow

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and again you know sort of that passing

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on of the torch i know you've answered

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people wanted to know well what

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information did you acquire from mr

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different time a whole different uh

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structure you know he was answering to

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the government whereas you know

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you came along and uh and i have to

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thank you first and foremost for being

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so open and transparent with the public

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about all this whether it's through the

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tv show um you're so accessible

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on things like twitter and whatnot and

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willing to have discussions like this

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yeah i i just want to mention i i

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consider my ownership as stewardship

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and and i really do want to engage the

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and and reveal what we discover um i

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really the the potential the greatest

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science project of our time

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out at skinwalker ranch i mean we have

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the most scientifically studied

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that just happened to be part of a

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pentagon funded black budget program for

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the opportunity to advance that research

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public and to to help

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i think reveal that uh there is more

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that meets the eye to our existence to

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our reality

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and uh and really as we take the leap

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forward

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you know in looking at the next frontier

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for

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extraordinary opportunity and

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it's something i'm very privileged to to

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be able to share with all of you

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you mentioned reality i'd love to get

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your opinion on this i mean

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you had a pretty dramatic experience

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after getting on the ranch with the uh

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the ufo encounter i am a ufo podcast so

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i gotta ask you

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could you maybe run us through um

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briefly that ufo event that you

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witnessed and um

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how it kind of opened your eyes that yep

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it's here we go hit the ground running

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we got ufos over the ranch how did that

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all happen

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yeah my transition from being a skeptic

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to an experiencer was was quite dramatic

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you know for the first six months that i

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owned the property

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i didn't see anything unusual i didn't

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have any unusual experience personally

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and didn't even feel any dark ominous

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presence on the property i just felt

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that it was a strikingly beautiful

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backdrop that has a diversity everything

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from that long

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mesa plateau that runs the expanse to

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the cave systems

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uh that lie in that plateau to the

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waterways and the old pioneer homesteads

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that are scattered across the property i

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i just

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really fell in love with the landscape

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and

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months into my

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my ownership uh we were hosting

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a dignitary and his his entourage his

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team and which included two security

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professionals and that day everything

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changed

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we saw everything from electromagnetic

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anomalies

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to individuals experiencing acute

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medical episodes

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to actual visible sighting of what can

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only be described as ufo craft in broad

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daylight

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above the mesa right in front of us as

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clear as day

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and uh you know we estimate that you

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know it was about a 40

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50 foot long disc like object that was

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silver grayish and uh and

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perform maneuvers that were just

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mind-blowing

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i mean split second uh maneuvers

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back and forth up and down and then

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ended up just

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zipping off into the distance and was

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gone in

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an instant and the whole episode even

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though it it only lasted about 20

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seconds

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i mean we had multiple witnesses there

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with me that i'd never met before that

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day i haven't spoken to after

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both those gentlemen actually earlier in

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the day

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had uh had expressed to me that they

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were skeptics that they didn't believe

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that there was anything to

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the lore and a lot of the claims but

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they were there to support

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the uh the visiting dignitary

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and so we were all very caught off guard

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you could you could honestly say you had

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three

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uh skeptics and uh and

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non-experiencers that uh that had a

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profound experience

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that to this day it's undeniable and

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it's driven me

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to to really increase our our

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capabilities on site and the platforms

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that have been created by

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our scientists and most notably eric

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bard who is just

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you know my right hand and uh the

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principal investigator

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has been with us since the beginning

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yeah he's he's come up with some cool

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innovative stuff which uh we'll

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definitely touch on in the listener

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questions here

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uh some really good ones i got some

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scientists who uh

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want to pick your brain a little bit but

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um

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let's i guess talk a little bit about

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season two

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um so uh premiering on may 4th

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and i was uh very fortunate to see the

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the premiere episode and

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you guys hit the ground running there

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was no messing around like

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we're we're in the thick of it again and

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um

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one of the big things i noticed brandon

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was

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um you stressing to your team

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uh safety and precaution i mean as we

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saw in the first season

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of your show there are some pretty

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dramatic um

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physical ailments that occurred to your

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team on the base and we've heard

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or excuse me on the uh the ranch and

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we've heard

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stories of that happening in the past as

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well um so you brought in a gentleman

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named

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dr christopher lee um so i was wondering

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could you tell us a little about

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who he is what he does and maybe some of

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the

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poking and prodding getting more

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dangerous

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as you're uh uncovering things yeah

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good questions you know dr lee uh

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is is a world-renowned radiation

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oncologist

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is has done work at harvard uh and

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is a partner up in uh you know you know

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several clinics in the pacific northwest

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and it also happens to be

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a close friend of mine a dear friend of

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mine since fifth grade

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i've known chris since we were oh gosh

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um

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11 years old and he was you know 4.0

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student

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you know top of our class and is someone

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that i respect and trust

439
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and so as we we've encountered some very

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serious

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um acute medical episodes on the

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property especially those that have

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involved some type of anomalous

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radiation

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it was important in my mind to bring out

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an expert and he was he was uh

447
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willing to to consent to be on the

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program and frankly collaborate with the

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team

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openly and uh and help us with our

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with our health and safety protocols i

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mean in season one it was very evident

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that

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both dr taylor and also thomas winterton

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have had incidents that uh defy

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explanation where they've they've gone

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to

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one thing that we

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cannot disclose due to hipaa guidelines

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and privacy

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issues is the fact that we've had a

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number of other people that have ended

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up

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in the hospital you know over the course

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the last year or two

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with mysterious illnesses and injuries

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uh we believe as a result of the

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activity on the ranch

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and so we we take the the risks very

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seriously we don't know where it's

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coming from it's it's transient

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it's it's very unusual and

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you know there there's a reason why we

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have liability waivers signed by

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everyone

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who comes on the property and

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participates it's a dangerous place

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bad things happen i i think we're

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dealing with both malevolent

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and also benevolent forces on the ranch

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and also benign i mean those that

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probably are are neutral but we're

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definitely dealing with

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uh with things that uh that

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i think require a degree of

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of caution reverence and

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frankly humiliat humility as we approach

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the property i mean

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you saw in episode one of the first

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season

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uh you know my brother cameron who is

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you know

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my pilot and an expert aviator he he

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offered a prayer as he

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entered the airspace surrounding the

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ranch with dr taylor to introduce taylor

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to the property for the first time

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all of that was absolutely in every way

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genuine authentic that was indeed the

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first time that dr taylor

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had set eyes on the on the property and

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that's a practice that we

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we take very seriously that we encourage

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all

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engage

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to to prepare themselves themselves

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spiritually

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and to armor themselves because we're

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dealing with forces that we

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we just don't understand yeah

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right oh man there's so many questions

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um that i have just with those few

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statements you made but let's um

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i want to focus on the word transient

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for a minute um george knapp

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uh bob bigelow even luis elizondos told

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me

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hitchhiker

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phenomenon of taking something home with

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you

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it's very prevalent and real from what

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these reporters and investigators

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have said so i'll flat out ask have you

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ever had

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a hitchhiker experience brought

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something home with you or members of

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the team

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i haven't at all and i'm the owner

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but members of my team have members of

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my team have experienced

531
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strange phenomena and you know past

532
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participants

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00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,760
including mr bigelow have had very

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profound

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negative experiences in fact there are

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military operatives and you know

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senior members of the intelligence

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community that

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refuse to ever set foot on that property

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again i mean these

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these are people that are accustomed to

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dealing with high stress situations

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that uh that in some cases i think are

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battle hardened and

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you know there is uh

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there there is a uh a real hesitation

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on the part of many who've had

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00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,120
experiences on the ranch to ever come

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back in fact we've invited

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several to come back as part of our

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collaborative effort and

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and have had our invitations refused

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which i understand and respect

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i completely respect you know that that

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there are some very

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legitimate concerns and again we we we

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have everyone sign a liability waiver

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and give the disclaimer that

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you you you're really taking risk when

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00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,000
you enter

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00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:51,120
skinwalker ranch you're entering a a

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place

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that for a long time has been a center

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of gravity

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for you know unexplained paranormal

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00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,919
phenomena

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00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,520
yeah you have no idea what you're

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00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,360
walking into to this day

569
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and that's what you guys are trying to

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uncover and um

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you know one of the big things i don't

572
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:09,200
want to give away too much of the

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premiere

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but uh a big source of contention in the

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first season was

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do we dig or not dig and i know a lot of

577
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,120
people have their opinions whether it's

578
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,320
because it's a

579
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,720
you know it's an indigenous land it once

580
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,360
was

581
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,760
uh to many people and disturbing the

582
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,559
earth

583
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,400
would be one thing but then you have

584
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,600
that struggle of

585
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,840
but this is a scientific endeavor and

586
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,080
you know we deal with those ethical

587
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,559
issues in the world all the time when it

588
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,360
comes to

589
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:40,080
you know the earth and scientific

590
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,960
exploration

591
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:43,440
and what sacrifices do we have to make

592
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,000
to further

593
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,720
science and uh that was again a big

594
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,559
source of contention in the first season

595
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,400
um is that going to be a big part of

596
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,400
season two as well because

597
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,280
so much seems to be going on underground

598
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,440
at skinwalker ranch and above but a lot

599
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,000
underground

600
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:01,520
too it seems uh yeah it both above

601
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,799
and below and you know i

602
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,080
yes i mean we're forced in the effort to

603
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,520
advance the investigation

604
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,120
to to take more aggressive measures

605
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,600
and you'll see that played out and and i

606
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,120
think you'll see that presented

607
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,880
transparently to the public

608
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,720
you know one thing we've tried to do is

609
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,280
is take the necessary safety

610
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,159
precautions and dragon my head of

611
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:27,919
security was really

612
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,760
charged with with you know the added

613
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,640
responsibility of

614
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,520
of really kind of adding an additional

615
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:36,480
layer

616
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,520
of protection and monitoring

617
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,760
that that you'll see played out but uh

618
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,960
yeah it is definitely

619
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:45,120
going to be a key part of exploring the

620
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,320
ranch and our

621
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,120
and our investigation and you know it's

622
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,360
it's a known fact that bad things happen

623
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,960
when you disturb the earth out at the

624
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,960
ranch and sometimes it's not immediate

625
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,120
sometimes it's in a in a short period of

626
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:58,559
time following but

627
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:01,679
there are anomalous uh incidents that

628
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,320
occur

629
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,200
that defy explanation and and you know

630
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,600
some negative things and

631
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,640
you know i'm i'm uh quickly uh

632
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,799
reminded by my principal investigator

633
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,000
eric bard

634
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,720
that correlation does not mean causation

635
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,480
you know correlation is not causation

636
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,520
and just because

637
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,440
we have correlating events doesn't mean

638
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,840
that uh they're necessarily connected

639
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,480
but

640
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,159
i think there is compelling evidence

641
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,080
that we're we're dealing with

642
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:30,720
some connectivity between activities

643
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,200
that are

644
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,640
of the bad things that happen i mean

645
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,280
it is a dangerous place in the the

646
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,480
reason why

647
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,600
this is a secure site and why we keep

648
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:43,760
this entire 512

649
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,880
acre assemblage locked down under

650
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,799
constant surveillance

651
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,960
is is not only to protect the integrity

652
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:52,880
of the scientific investigation

653
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,000
which is very sensitive and ongoing 24 7

654
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:58,799
but it's to protect those who who are

655
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,360
innocent

656
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,400
those who who really may end up being

657
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,559
harmed as a result of

658
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,760
you know connection with the property

659
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,000
and coming on the property whether

660
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,679
whether they be trespassers or not i

661
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,360
mean there are numerous accounts

662
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,440
of people both authorized and

663
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:16,640
unauthorized

664
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,480
that have had experiences and uh

665
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,919
you know we had one incident where

666
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,000
someone trespassed we actually you know

667
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,400
security had to call law enforcement

668
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,440
and the the individual trespass had such

669
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,840
a negative experience they were

670
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,080
terrified

671
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,480
and and they were

672
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,480
they were they were difficult to detain

673
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,840
because they had such a negative

674
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:41,760
experience

675
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,520
before law enforcement arrived that

676
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,080
that caused them great concern so

677
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,760
interesting things happen

678
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
yeah they uh hopefully won't be sneaking

679
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,000
on again anytime soon after that i think

680
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:55,360
they learned their lesson

681
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,200
um well spiritualism you mentioned as

682
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,480
well uh

683
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,679
as a um as a man of faith that you've

684
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,880
you've shared in

685
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:07,600
other interviews and whatnot growing up

686
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,400
uh

687
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,440
how has this changed your your um

688
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
i guess has it has it changed your faith

689
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,559
has it changed your um

690
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,679
sort of uh sense of reality and the

691
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:22,480
the nature of reality uh in terms of

692
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,039
what you

693
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,919
grew up believing in the world and then

694
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,640
boom

695
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,880
it's just kind of flipped on its head

696
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:30,400
you know that's a good question

697
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,320
uh strangely enough i i've found

698
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,360
my experience to be faith affirming

699
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,760
uh yeah i was i was raised to believe

700
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,360
that there are worlds without number

701
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,720
that we are not alone in the universe uh

702
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
and that there are other dimensions of

703
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,000
reality that sit

704
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,120
alongside ours that are just as real

705
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,200
the afterlife is just another dimension

706
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:55,120
of reality the spirit world if you will

707
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,080
or whatever

708
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,840
label you want to place on it but but

709
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,760
actually proving it scientifically and

710
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:03,120
and having um a degree of empiricism

711
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,000
with that

712
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,919
addressing these topics

713
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,400
is something that is missing and

714
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,679
something that we've been trying to

715
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,120
bring to the table and

716
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:16,080
i found that you know our investigation

717
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,640
although

718
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,919
at times disturbing

719
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,520
and and to members of the team

720
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,039
terrifying is

721
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,440
is also inspiring because it proves that

722
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,720
there is

723
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:29,120
i believe an intelligent design to our

724
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,919
existence

725
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,640
on this planet that we're not alone now

726
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:34,320
i get asked the question all the time do

727
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,720
you think

728
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,080
it's aliens do you believe that it's um

729
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,880
interdimensional entities or do you

730
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,120
believe that it is angels and demons and

731
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,480
spiritual phenomena and

732
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,559
in the the honest answer that i can give

733
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,640
is yes all of the above

734
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,640
you know so far based on our

735
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:52,960
observations and the data

736
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,039
um i believe we're seeing a diversity of

737
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,799
origin and agendas associated with

738
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,159
uh the experiences on the ranch which

739
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,679
it talk about making a a complicated

740
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,400
you know problem set that much more

741
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,360
difficult

742
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,840
i mean it's it's it's and then you know

743
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:14,640
to be

744
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,960
referred to as a pre-cognitive sentient

745
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:21,120
intelligence that is one two steps ahead

746
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:22,080
of us

747
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,919
um and and the fact that yet

748
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,480
things are happening that are beyond our

749
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,600
control

750
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,520
uh that have an intelligence associated

751
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,000
with them is uh is a little unnerving

752
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,520
but you know we try to go about it in

753
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,480
the right spirit

754
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,159
you know we talk about spirituality i

755
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,760
think preparing yourself

756
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,799
and again you know i've noticed on a

757
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,559
number of occasions people who bring

758
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,080
negativity to the ranch

759
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,480
that bring a spirit of contention or

760
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:51,679
negativity

761
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,760
you know the the ranch seems to be

762
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,440
reflexive or at least

763
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:03,120
seems to to respond in a very dynamic

764
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,080
way

765
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,760
to to the spirituality or the psychology

766
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,720
of those who

767
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:11,440
enter so i think it's really important

768
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:12,000
to

769
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,840
comes on the property whether it be

770
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
third party engineers consultants i mean

771
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,760
we've had a number of

772
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,520
engineering consultants and subject

773
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
matter experts whether it be

774
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
you know ground penetrating radar

775
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,840
studies resistivity studies

776
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,679
you know drone operators you know we've

777
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,440
had the rocketry experiments the

778
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,840
instrumented weather balloons etc

779
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,520
every one of the people that have come

780
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,039
onto the property

781
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,960
to help conduct these experiment

782
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,320
experiments

783
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,480
i believe have left scratching their

784
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:44,159
heads have seen

785
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,159
one or more unexplained events occur

786
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,480
associated with their engagement and and

787
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,600
i think that's

788
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:54,000
compelling you you couple the witness

789
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:54,880
testimony

790
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:58,880
recorded anomalies

791
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,240
that are correlative to ufo activity

792
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,600
above the ranch

793
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,559
and other strangeness and i mean you you

794
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,399
really have what i believe

795
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:11,520
to be the most compelling ongoing

796
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,039
record of of paranormal activity and a

797
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,720
scientific investigation into these

798
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,159
topics than ever before

799
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,399
i've never seen anything on television

800
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,320
like what we are bringing to the public

801
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:23,919
and i don't say that arrogantly i

802
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,880
i say that proudly as someone who who

803
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:28,640
really takes pride

804
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,480
and and in in our work and really

805
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,720
yeah i love our team it's a family you

806
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,679
know most of my team

807
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,720
go back if not a decade

808
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,559
decades back to my childhood you'd

809
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,840
mentioned dr lee

810
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,600
earlier that came out to the property

811
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,279
and i've known dr lee since we're in

812
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:49,840
fifth grade we've been best friends

813
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,200
and he's a skeptic i mean dr lee came

814
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,559
out he's a scientist

815
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,279
but uh but he kept an open mind and when

816
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,120
looking at the data he felt

817
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,240
that uh that you know at least some

818
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,919
degree of serious

819
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,720
consideration was warranted that's

820
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,760
claims

821
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,440
again when it's turning the heads of a

822
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,760
lot of these scientists you've brought

823
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:12,399
in

824
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,520
side uh

825
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,679
kind of being speechless uh that that

826
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,840
does say something yeah

827
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,360
you notice everything whether it be the

828
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,360
rocketry experiments or the balloon the

829
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
instrument of balloon experiments or

830
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,200
ground penetrating radar or whatever

831
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:29,279
studies you you recognize a common

832
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,760
thread

833
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,679
all of them end up shaking their head

834
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:33,039
and saying we've never had this

835
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,080
experience before

836
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:36,640
and i you know i i hear the skeptics you

837
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,440
know i see the

838
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:40,240
on the message boards and and on social

839
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,880
media

840
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,480
those who are like oh you you're not

841
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,919
presenting any evidence

842
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,679
you know this is all a bunch of baloney

843
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,559
or they're really really critical and

844
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,840
i i have a hard time understanding

845
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,679
a lot of the criticism in many ways i

846
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:55,440
think it's just laziness i think people

847
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,320
aren't watching

848
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:59,200
they're not paying attention and and

849
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,399
they're not doing their own due

850
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,080
diligence because if they were

851
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,799
i think they would see how compelling

852
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:06,640
this investigation and this research

853
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,630
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

854
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,480
just dropping in to remind you about our

855
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,000
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856
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,919
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857
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,080
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858
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859
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862
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865
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:36,240
want to be my guest or pick a topic for

866
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,960
the show

867
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,200
you can do that too so if you'd like to

868
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,200
learn more and to help support the show

869
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:44,720
visit patreon.com summerskies

870
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:46,660
thank you and keep looking up

871
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,789
i want to move to some listener

872
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,720
questions brandon um

873
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,880
i got a ton of them let's fire them off

874
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:59,039
here throw some hard balls at me come on

875
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,440
okay

876
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:02,240
let's do it i got a couple um and again

877
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,279
for anyone

878
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,000
we didn't really cover what is going on

879
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,600
in season two too much because we want

880
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,679
people to see it but i kind of test

881
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,640
you do at least two uh big experiments

882
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,159
in the first episode that were

883
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:17,120
really interesting season two is game

884
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,679
changing

885
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:20,240
what you've seen is just it's child's

886
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,720
play

887
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,960
it's the tip of the iceberg and and

888
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:23,840
again

889
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,799
no one expected it i mean when i engaged

890
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,559
with the history channel and we started

891
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,240
filming season one

892
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,960
i sat everyone down and i said look in

893
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,399
full disclosure

894
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,440
i had no strange unusual experience

895
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,880
for the first six months that i owned

896
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,559
the property and if you think that

897
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,399
coming out and filming for three to four

898
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,080
months even if you're on site

899
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,159
stationed is going to result in being

900
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,360
able to conjure up

901
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,200
paranormal activity that you can capture

902
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,679
on camera you may be very disappointed

903
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,640
and that's

904
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:55,440
that's you know that's a a possibility

905
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:56,080
and a very

906
00:33:03,669 --> 00:32:59,679
real possibility and it it has been

907
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,679
a uh it's been a pleasant surprise

908
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:06,960
to see results to actually see

909
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,480
interactions so bring on the questions

910
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,919
let's do it um well in terms of results

911
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,480
and data i think a lot of uh not

912
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:17,919
criticism

913
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,200
uh so much as observation from viewers

914
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,919
has been okay we see what's on camera we

915
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,000
understand it's a television show

916
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,399
and there's many struggles with trying

917
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,640
to do an active investigation while

918
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,640
cameras are on you like i understand

919
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,760
that completely we

920
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,080
i've done some of that tv work in my

921
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,440
past and it's frustrating

922
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,640
you know because there are certain

923
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,720
things you have to do on tv and then

924
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:42,720
there's the active investigation going

925
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,200
on

926
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,279
a lot of my viewers and listeners want

927
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,120
to know um

928
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,399
data and evidence is there any plans

929
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,960
of making those findings public in

930
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,080
whether it's

931
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,559
a website or a forum or somewhere where

932
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,840
people can go

933
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,399
to kind of continue you bet the

934
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:02,080
investigations you guys are doing on the

935
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,559
show

936
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:04,720
so we've established a web portal it's

937
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,589
again that's www.skinwalkerdashranch.com

938
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,240
and we intend to use that as a resource

939
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,399
to engage the public and to download

940
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,280
data

941
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,159
to share to collaborate you know we

942
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,599
haven't been able to

943
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,520
we just haven't had the time and with

944
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,359
covid this past year

945
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,159
so many complications and you know i i

946
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,000
work 18 hour days

947
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,720
every day with regularity you know over

948
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,040
95 percent of my attention

949
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:40,079
and focus is not on the ranch um

950
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:43,599
unfortunately i mean i i i really do

951
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,760
run a a high stress

952
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,919
real estate enterprise and other

953
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,200
ventures and so

954
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,520
you know in time we do intend in the

955
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,599
months to come to to continue to

956
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,520
populate that site and you can go there

957
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,520
and see that so it is our intention to

958
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,800
share that data

959
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,320
but a lot of it you're right when you

960
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,160
have battery drainage that happens

961
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,160
instantaneously on the property you have

962
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,160
equipment malfunctions which have been

963
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:10,240
captured time and time again i mean we

964
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,119
have drones

965
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,920
fall out of the sky um with no

966
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,119
explanation

967
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,839
and in when asking seasoned drone

968
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,839
operators have you ever seen this before

969
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,839
in your several years of flying drones

970
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,440
and being on cruise

971
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,520
and on you know various surveys have you

972
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,560
experienced this and when

973
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,480
all of them for the most part

974
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,760
unanimously say

975
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:32,880
nope we've never experienced this it

976
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,400
that's data that's a freaking data point

977
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,359
and i think people are missing that um i

978
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,480
mean sometimes they

979
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,599
they're they're uh they're missing that

980
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,839
you know we're collecting and presenting

981
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,920
i think some of the most

982
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,800
compelling data documenting the

983
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,680
phenomena so

984
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,920
we do intend to con to to continue to

985
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,880
engage and

986
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,119
and bring that forward and i believe

987
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,119
that it's part of my stewardship

988
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,760
next question awesome all right that was

989
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:03,680
the number one the most popular question

990
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,240
we had

991
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,680
number two and three i'm going to mix

992
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:07,760
together here um

993
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,200
everyone loves your suits man so a

994
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,720
where do you get your suits you're

995
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,599
always in a suit are they tailored and

996
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,599
the second part of this question kind of

997
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,880
in the same realm

998
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,119
how did you get post malone on the ranch

999
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,880
and what the how did that happen what

1000
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:23,920
was that all about

1001
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,440
a good question so um i yes i i

1002
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,599
have you know i've always had custom

1003
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,480
tailored suits

1004
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,079
armani zania and canali are really my

1005
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,520
three

1006
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,640
brands of choice and i have a tailor who

1007
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,119
who has all my measurements who is

1008
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,880
constantly making me suits this suit

1009
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,280
that i have on today is a canali

1010
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:48,960
um suit uh but uh but

1011
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,079
you know i again i'm i'm i'm dealing in

1012
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:53,599
business and i've always been quite

1013
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,079
formal

1014
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,920
since i was a teenager so it's it's been

1015
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,839
part of my uniform so to speak

1016
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,560
from the beginning um i don't have a

1017
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:02,079
pair of jeans

1018
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,160
uh and uh it's it's simply because i

1019
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,280
i you know my wardrobe i'm in in a suit

1020
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,599
most days of the week uh and if you

1021
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:13,440
catch me without a tie on

1022
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,520
it's uh it's me being a bit casual um

1023
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,800
the other question what was the other

1024
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,119
question you had oh uh

1025
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,359
post malone there's something viral when

1026
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,960
he tweeted that out yeah

1027
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,520
that happened okay so post malone very

1028
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,800
very fun experience

1029
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:31,440
with austin uh his people actually

1030
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,400
reached out to

1031
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,520
to my people uh in fact his you know a

1032
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:37,040
wealth advisor

1033
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:40,640
uh that's that i uh trust that i

1034
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,480
network with in the community is also uh

1035
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,920
you know engaged and is in in austin

1036
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,480
post's

1037
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,119
trusted circle and and it was funny i i

1038
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,720
got a call from him

1039
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,160
and was expecting that we were just

1040
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,920
going to be discussing some business

1041
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:57,920
opportunity or economic development and

1042
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,400
uh

1043
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,320
after five or ten minutes of idle chit

1044
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,920
chat he said look

1045
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,320
brandon i i hate to admit this but i

1046
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
didn't call you to discuss business i

1047
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,240
called you to ask for a favor

1048
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:10,800
he says you know i i have a client you

1049
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,280
know

1050
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,480
an associate that has been

1051
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,240
obsessed with the paranormal since he

1052
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,520
was a child

1053
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,119
and he's obsessed with the ranch he's

1054
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,119
been reading everything

1055
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:24,240
available relative to skinwalker ranch

1056
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,200
and it's at the

1057
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,680
it's at the top of his bucket list to

1058
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,640
come out

1059
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,960
to meet you and the team and to to

1060
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,000
actually see the

1061
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,119
ranch and to to discuss a lot of what is

1062
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,640
happening and i said okay

1063
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,560
um you know it's it's not open to the

1064
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,800
public i don't open it for tours

1065
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,040
um but you know who is this and he says

1066
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,880
well his name is post malone

1067
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:47,200
you may have heard of him he's an artist

1068
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,320
uh

1069
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160
he's kind of a big deal and i said yeah

1070
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,839
i've heard of post malone

1071
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,079
um i i couldn't recall a song right off

1072
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,440
the top of my head because i'm i'm

1073
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,119
frankly stuck in the 80s most of the

1074
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,040
time listening to depeche mode

1075
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,480
and duran duran omd uh

1076
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:05,520
along with 80's hair metal like poison

1077
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,000
and

1078
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:09,680
def leopard uh rat queens right

1079
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:13,680
on those man yeah i'm a product of that

1080
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,079
time

1081
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,560
and and so i i wasn't quite up to speed

1082
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,359
and i i

1083
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,040
i said well let me check with my team

1084
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,800
you know we'll

1085
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,680
we'll we'll consider it and i i hate to

1086
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,359
admit it but i

1087
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,839
i didn't really respond back and he had

1088
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,240
to follow up with me several times

1089
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,160
it was relentless and i finally said

1090
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,839
okay i

1091
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,040
you know out of respect for a

1092
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,040
relationship le i i'll

1093
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:39,040
be happy to entertain him and and we'll

1094
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,400
arrange it with the team

1095
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,359
to come out and uh and spend a weekend

1096
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,640
and then i pulled up

1097
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,240
everything online and did my due

1098
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:48,079
diligence and i was

1099
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,880
so embarrassed here you have

1100
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:55,520
arguably the the greatest artist on the

1101
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,160
planet

1102
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:58,000
billboard artist of the year two years

1103
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,280
in a row

1104
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,160
uh an incredible talent i mean he he i

1105
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,000
believe he's outsold michael jackson's

1106
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,200
thriller

1107
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,400
and uh and i'm a musician i i

1108
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,839
grew up with rock bands electronica

1109
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,240
you know oriented bands um you know

1110
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,359
through my junior

1111
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,280
and high school junior high school and

1112
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,119
high school years

1113
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,000
and uh and so as i pulled up all of his

1114
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,680
work i was just amazed

1115
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,400
and and so i was a little nervous uh

1116
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,200
when we

1117
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,119
went out there and he he showed up with

1118
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,319
three security

1119
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,960
all with assault rifles and that was in

1120
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,880
addition to my security with you know

1121
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,599
i had dragon caleb you know we have our

1122
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,560
team there

1123
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:41,599
yeah and uh yeah really long story short

1124
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:41,920
he

1125
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,280
human being

1126
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,040
um austin post was was a lot of fun to

1127
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,640
engage with and we really

1128
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,480
did a deep dive in the command center

1129
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,480
and really studied various aspects of

1130
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,079
the phenomena i mean a lot of

1131
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,720
everything from the signal processing

1132
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
that we go through to

1133
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,920
to how we're really conducting the

1134
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,280
investigation

1135
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,319
out there and you know we spent gosh

1136
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,599
we spent a whole day eight hours

1137
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,760
together and it was fun at one point

1138
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,400
uh we we ditched the security and just

1139
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,920
went out exploring the

1140
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,359
the south end of the ranch and it was

1141
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:19,280
just a lot of fun we're just out in the

1142
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:19,760
middle

1143
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,680
of nowhere and just two guys you know

1144
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,240
comparing notes on the paranormal and

1145
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,680
our own experiences

1146
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
and uh it was a great privilege we we uh

1147
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,560
we hope to welcome him back in fact he

1148
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,160
uh we'll see

1149
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:36,160
we'll see uh if uh if things come

1150
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,200
together but uh

1151
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,960
he he mentioned that he wanted to come

1152
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,880
out and possibly be part of an

1153
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,599
experiment

1154
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,839
or the investigation and you know he

1155
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,480
really is a sincere researcher

1156
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,240
i think a lot of people don't realize

1157
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,400
that you know he's he's not someone

1158
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,040
who's just

1159
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,200
trying to come out and and pull a

1160
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,720
publicity stun in fact he didn't want

1161
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,000
any publicity

1162
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,119
i timidly asked him if uh if it'd be

1163
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:00,960
okay if we took some pictures and he was

1164
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,800
totally cool and uh and authorized it so

1165
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,960
it was really fun we we really have a

1166
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:08,560
diversity of people out there one thing

1167
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,040
i

1168
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,119
the fact that we pulled together

1169
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,480
a multi-disciplinary team of experts

1170
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,440
of of trusted confidants and subject

1171
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,520
matter experts across a wide

1172
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:24,000
spectrum in order to to really

1173
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,800
understand

1174
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,119
what is happening on this really

1175
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,960
mysterious piece of property

1176
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,880
and i think it's yielding incredible

1177
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,160
results

1178
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,720
oh by the way i i'm not going to spoil

1179
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,359
anything

1180
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:38,000
but and it's not my story to tell but

1181
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,960
post malone

1182
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,000
and and his security

1183
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,599
uh ended up having their own experience

1184
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,599
late at night before leaving so i'll

1185
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,960
leave it at that

1186
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,760
yeah hopefully he'll make that public

1187
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,520
soon that'd be pretty cool yeah he

1188
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,280
that was really cool he's from my

1189
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,040
hometown and he had a

1190
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,200
a pretty dramatic ufo sighting there

1191
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,040
when he was a kid so that was

1192
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:03,599
oh you know one of our bragging moments

1193
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,160
in uh

1194
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,560
syracuse new york but i thought that was

1195
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,000
pretty awesome and of course he had an

1196
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,359
experience of course he did

1197
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,400
oh he's he's awesome i it was a it was a

1198
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,760
pleasure bringing him out

1199
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:16,000
and uh look forward to continuing our

1200
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,200
friendship

1201
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,560
and potential engagement so bring up

1202
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,440
more questions

1203
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:24,400
let's do it my man um all right window

1204
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,119
areas

1205
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,599
portals now that was one of the biggest

1206
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,960
things back when

1207
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,400
you know the book first came out with

1208
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:32,880
george knapp and um and all those guys

1209
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,880
and dr eric davis a portal opening and a

1210
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,760
creature

1211
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,240
coming out of it i mean that that's just

1212
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,920
the that's sci-fi

1213
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,319
to the oomph degree but this happened on

1214
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:45,839
the ranch apparently

1215
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:48,880
so are you guys going to be exploring uh

1216
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,560
portals at all in uh in the show and

1217
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,240
have there ever been an ex any

1218
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,000
experiences like that on the ranch uh

1219
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:57,760
since you've owned it

1220
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:01,119
hell yes so yeah a lot of the most

1221
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,920
classic

1222
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,240
uh incidents that have been reported

1223
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,400
were by you know dr eric davis

1224
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,480
who served for quite a quite a period of

1225
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,920
time with the

1226
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,359
with with the bigelow team in

1227
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:13,200
investigation i have i have a lot of

1228
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,480
respect for

1229
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,200
for eric uh and we've welcomed him out

1230
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,520
to the property and he's shown us where

1231
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,920
where those where those events occurred

1232
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,640
but

1233
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,520
we've had some really compelling things

1234
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,880
happen and i

1235
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,880
i i'm really excited i mean that's one

1236
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:30,960
of the things i'm most excited

1237
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:34,240
to uh to reveal to the public and to

1238
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,640
show

1239
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,280
is is the result of our investigation

1240
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,800
into whether there are

1241
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,520
portal or wormhole phenomena on the

1242
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,000
property is there a legitimate case

1243
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,200
or claim to be made that there are

1244
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,520
portals to other dimensions of reality

1245
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,440
or other worlds and what evidence what

1246
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,240
hard

1247
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:55,440
evidence and data do we have that would

1248
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,000
uh

1249
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,880
that would at least attest to that and

1250
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,839
uh

1251
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,920
and both literally and figuratively open

1252
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,280
those doors so

1253
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,560
uh hold on tight you're about ready to

1254
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:08,560
uh to see some really interesting things

1255
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,200
unfold

1256
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,599
and it's been like christmas eve for me

1257
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,599
waiting for this damn season

1258
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,920
to start um you know the production

1259
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,680
process getting everything

1260
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,520
you know finalized and turned into the

1261
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,960
network it's

1262
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,800
it's a process and i have to give great

1263
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,800
credit to the team of prometheus i

1264
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,640
i have incredible partners with both

1265
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,880
prometheus history channel and a

1266
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:31,599
e network and and they've kept their

1267
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,319
deal

1268
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,800
they have total integrity with respect

1269
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:35,520
to

1270
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,480
i had an agreement with them from the

1271
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,400
beginning that there would be nothing

1272
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,920
contrived

1273
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:46,800
uh nothing fabricated uh that it would

1274
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,599
be truth

1275
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:50,560
absolute truth presented you know this

1276
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,119
would be

1277
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,400
in every sense an unscripted

1278
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,119
documentary effort and guess what

1279
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,319
they've kept their

1280
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,000
you know they've done a great job with

1281
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,160
engaging with my team i mean dragon and

1282
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,160
i go back to age 19 together i mean

1283
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:07,599
we've been dear friends

1284
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:11,440
since 19 and uh and yes he's always had

1285
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,839
that that resting face

1286
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,640
that would i i take back my number one

1287
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,160
question that was my number one

1288
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,680
yeah it's permanent and by the way

1289
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,520
that's a technical term i wasn't using

1290
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,760
profanity that's i'm told that that's a

1291
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,319
that's a technical term and so it's not

1292
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,359
inappropriate but

1293
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,920
um but uh you know these these

1294
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,119
relationships span

1295
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,920
decades i mean jim morse you know who i

1296
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,319
affectionately referred to as uncle jim

1297
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,720
you know jim was my first big client at

1298
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,040
age 18 he was developing a six-story

1299
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,400
office tower

1300
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,119
out in our you know suburban market and

1301
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,480
uh a big master plan

1302
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,520
45-acre project and he he took a risk

1303
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,800
on me and he he allowed me to engage as

1304
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,800
his broker as a teenager

1305
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:59,200
marketing his office building at the

1306
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,240
time and

1307
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,160
i don't take that trust lightly never

1308
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,720
have and you know out of that experience

1309
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,920
in in really

1310
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,040
developing many buildings and and

1311
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,280
other investments together you know we

1312
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,880
built this trust and he was the first

1313
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,880
person to lay eye eyes on the ranch when

1314
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,000
i flew out

1315
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,800
in my helicopter and first saw it from

1316
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,720
that vantage point i i didn't drive in

1317
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,160
the first time i saw that ranch i

1318
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,079
actually saw it from above

1319
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,040
and came down in the field just outside

1320
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:28,800
of the ranch house

1321
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,240
and was greeted by bigelow security

1322
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,520
who was you know armed and uh and ready

1323
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,960
to do it a full

1324
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,040
tour of the property and the perimeter

1325
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,280
jim was the one who accompanied me

1326
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,200
and has been a trusted confidant and

1327
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,040
really the community liaison i don't

1328
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,040
think there's anyone that loves

1329
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:49,440
the native american peoples more than

1330
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,079
jim

1331
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,280
with

1332
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,760
tribal leaders and and i think that

1333
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,440
engagement with the community

1334
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,359
with the tribes has been a very

1335
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,800
important part of

1336
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:03,040
of my stewardship and i hope that's

1337
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,839
coming through

1338
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,359
in the program anyway sorry to get off

1339
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,040
on a tangent more questions

1340
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,880
no that's a really good point to bring

1341
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,240
up because a lot of uh

1342
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,720
listeners also were wondering what was

1343
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,400
your relationship with the

1344
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:17,119
the um the navajo out there and it was

1345
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,760
straight

1346
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,720
so yeah the the the relationship was

1347
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:21,839
very strained

1348
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:24,880
um between the

1349
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,240
the previous ownership and occupants and

1350
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:29,920
the the tribal leaders

1351
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,880
uh by their own admission uh meaning by

1352
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,319
you know the tribes admitted that

1353
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,720
you know there really wasn't a warm

1354
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,480
association or a collaborative effort

1355
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,319
and we've tried to change that

1356
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,680
in a big way and again nothing

1357
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,359
disparaging about the

1358
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,359
about my predecessors i have nothing but

1359
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,800
respect for

1360
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:49,040
you know robert bigelow and his team and

1361
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,240
applaud

1362
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,000
his courage and their courage

1363
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,640
collectively in coming forward

1364
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,040
you know it it takes courage to put

1365
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,720
yourself out there to stick your neck

1366
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,440
out and

1367
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:02,240
i mean you tell me ryan i mean how many

1368
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,359
credible

1369
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,680
business leaders have been willing to

1370
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,960
step forward

1371
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,680
not only with their with their with

1372
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,559
their money with

1373
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,200
with financial investment of significant

1374
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,880
size but also

1375
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:17,280
willingness to put their reputation on

1376
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,079
the line

1377
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,240
the tribal leaders have have advised

1378
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,839
their people

1379
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,480
for generations not to look the way of

1380
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,440
this property

1381
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,520
you know it's it's very real and we have

1382
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,119
first-hand accounts

1383
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,119
and historical documentation that

1384
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:32,960
attests to the fact that

1385
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:36,240
that people have avoided even mentioning

1386
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:36,800
the term

1387
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,760
skinwalker it's very taboo you know

1388
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,599
we're making it more commonplace

1389
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,920
for better for worse but i think a lot

1390
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,880
of people don't

1391
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:48,000
realize that just even the mention or

1392
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,119
the discussion

1393
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,559
of skinwalkers is forbidden

1394
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:55,040
been frowned upon it's it's really

1395
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,839
frowned upon

1396
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,000
in native american circles i mean you

1397
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,000
you really have to be careful and i

1398
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,599
i sometimes forget it because we just

1399
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,599
take for granted you know that we're in

1400
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:04,480
the middle of this

1401
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,000
anyway sorry sorry for the aside there

1402
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,920
that's such a good point i mean the the

1403
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,680
term skinwalker

1404
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,800
you know has sort of it's been spawned

1405
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,079
from a curse

1406
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,920
so that that is a completely

1407
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,359
understandable thing oh yeah

1408
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,400
it's very real it is real

1409
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,599
and terrifying to

1410
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:28,240
you know the native americans out there

1411
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:28,640
that

1412
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,760
i mean you have even if you haven't had

1413
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,480
an experience

1414
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:34,880
even if you don't believe it i think you

1415
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,520
have to take a step back and respect

1416
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,680
that it is definitely real to them and

1417
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:40,720
it's a it's

1418
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,359
it's a part of their cultural history

1419
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,559
and tradition

1420
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,599
and something that uh that that is to be

1421
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,640
respected

1422
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,960
i guess kind of uh bringing it more

1423
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,000
current brandon

1424
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,800
um with you know we've got this report

1425
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,520
due

1426
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:58,559
very soon from the pentagon ufo task

1427
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,359
force

1428
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,200
um again i can't believe i'm saying that

1429
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,640
as a ufo researcher

1430
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,880
who's been doing this for so long and

1431
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,079
this is where we're at

1432
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,599
um so have you ever been approached by

1433
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,920
this uap task force i know that you've

1434
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:12,640
spoken to

1435
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,000
um representatives in in utah

1436
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,839
uh about what you're doing on the ranch

1437
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:19,359
which is pretty cool to see in season

1438
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,839
one

1439
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:22,160
but any government involvement we also

1440
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,440
had a question of

1441
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,400
do you hold any sort of security

1442
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,000
clearance we know

1443
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,800
that the pentagon was funding the former

1444
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,720
owner of skinwalker ranch um

1445
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,920
and what do you think of all this

1446
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:35,520
pentagon stuff is this going to come

1447
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,319
into play

1448
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,680
at all with the work you're doing at

1449
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,000
skinwalker ranch good questions

1450
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:43,359
uh no i have never held a security

1451
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,240
clearance

1452
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,240
or been involved with any program

1453
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,760
government program

1454
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,119
at all i have no desire uh to and

1455
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,520
as much as i i love my country and

1456
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,680
consider myself a patriot and i'm

1457
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,280
completely transparent and open and

1458
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:58,960
collaborative i have

1459
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,079
no interest in taking you know monies or

1460
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,680
having this be part of

1461
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,839
any type of government sponsored or

1462
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,720
funded

1463
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,559
project i think that the best results

1464
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,559
always come from the private sector

1465
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,800
no offense to the the highly competent

1466
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,559
people in the intelligence

1467
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,880
and aerospace communities but uh but i

1468
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,400
think private sector

1469
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,520
innovation collaboration um

1470
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,720
has always uh brought forward you know

1471
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,680
discoveries

1472
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,680
in a more dynamic way and i i think

1473
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,800
keeping this

1474
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:31,040
private and and maintaining the

1475
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,319
integrity

1476
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,280
of this project has been an important

1477
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,440
part of my stewardship

1478
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,079
i was summoned to washington dc with the

1479
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,599
team to give testimony

1480
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,480
relative to our investigation and how we

1481
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:45,760
have advanced

1482
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:48,960
our investigation at skinwalker ranch

1483
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,240
and uh i'm sure i'll touch

1484
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,599
on that in future in future episodes

1485
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,480
hopefully or

1486
00:53:03,589 --> 00:52:59,680
future interviews but uh but you know

1487
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:03,599
we again in the spirit of transparency

1488
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,040
we have nothing to hide and believe that

1489
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,800
the public has a right to know and that

1490
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:10,640
this will come forward now as it relates

1491
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,359
to this big

1492
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,839
disclosure event that everyone's

1493
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
anticipating i'll buy the drinks

1494
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,040
if there's anything compelling that

1495
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,480
comes forward and i'll tell you why

1496
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,960
i i think most of the really compelling

1497
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,760
data

1498
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,160
and evidence has been long sequestered

1499
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:26,240
into special compartmentalized access

1500
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:27,280
programs

1501
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,440
in private industry and is is unlikely

1502
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,160
to be revealed and i think a lot of

1503
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,760
people can't handle it i mean you look

1504
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:37,040
at how much

1505
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:41,040
ridiculed and criticized by people and

1506
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,520
i'm like

1507
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:43,520
gosh do your due diligence people in the

1508
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:44,640
first 20 minutes

1509
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,160
of episode 1 of season 1 i revealed more

1510
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,760
in that 20 minutes than i'd seen

1511
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,599
revealed in 20 years

1512
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,920
relative to this topic and they're

1513
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:55,040
complaining

1514
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,359
i'm like what after a drought of decades

1515
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,960
of literally

1516
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,280
eating their own young and and that's

1517
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,280
that's kind of the state of ufology to a

1518
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,880
degree in a lot of respects which is

1519
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,160
unfortunate is

1520
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,040
is there there's there's a territorial

1521
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,910
critical nature to it that uh that is

1522
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:17,440
counterproductive

1523
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,800
and and it's very ha half glass empty

1524
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:23,040
instead of half glass full and i i look

1525
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,000
at the abundance

1526
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,400
of what we are being what we are being

1527
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,359
blessed with

1528
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,920
and fortunate to be gathering out here

1529
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,880
in this very

1530
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,079
real living laboratory you know this

1531
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,520
this secure site that has been unusually

1532
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,720
you know locked down for 24 25 years

1533
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,799
and you know this this represents i

1534
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:44,799
think the best opportunity

1535
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,160
for the private sector to bring forward

1536
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,559
advancements relative to understanding

1537
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,280
the nature

1538
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,040
of the phenomena i mean the big

1539
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,720
questions are what you know

1540
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,559
what is the origin what is the agenda

1541
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,839
and who knows

1542
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:00,559
well we'll find out hopefully at some

1543
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,280
point

1544
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,200
i i agree with you and again i think

1545
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,359
people need to keep in mind you know

1546
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,839
in the ufo community or research

1547
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,599
community or what have you

1548
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:13,040
uh that for so long they haven't trusted

1549
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,079
the government

1550
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,559
because there is a legitimate cover-up

1551
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,760
of the topic

1552
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,359
yet but right now they're they're

1553
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,200
looking for

1554
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,640
that's what these that's what these

1555
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:24,640
fools don't realize i'm not the

1556
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,200
government

1557
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:28,079
i'm an outsider i'm i'm partner i'm your

1558
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,720
partner

1559
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,359
in discovery you know if you're gonna

1560
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,359
throw stones throw them where they

1561
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,440
where they deserve to be thrown you know

1562
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:37,200
give us some support put your weight

1563
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,079
behind

1564
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,559
us i mean let's put as much positive

1565
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,839
energy behind

1566
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,760
you know this process of discovery as

1567
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,440
possible and and hopefully that

1568
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,040
collective energy

1569
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,200
and collaboration is is going to result

1570
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,359
in i think the greatest discoveries of

1571
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,040
our time

1572
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,200
that's actually my last question for you

1573
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,720
brandon um

1574
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,799
what do you hope to accomplish i mean

1575
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,559
what did you go in

1576
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,040
wanting to do with the ranch has that

1577
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,040
evolved or changed it all or

1578
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:07,119
what do you hope the science or the

1579
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,160
discoveries

1580
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,040
that you make there what will it do for

1581
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:12,720
both the scientific community and i

1582
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,040
guess

1583
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:14,720
in the world in general what do you hope

1584
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,750
good question uh we hope to bring

1585
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,319
forward i think the best evidence

1586
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,480
that we are not alone

1587
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,240
and that there is more to our reality

1588
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,079
than meets the eye that we are just

1589
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,160
scratching the surface

1590
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,640
of understanding the nature of not only

1591
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:37,920
our reality

1592
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,119
but our consciousness and being able to

1593
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,079
delve into these topics in a disciplined

1594
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,720
manner with scientific rigor with

1595
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,920
respect

1596
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,799
and with resources i think is is an

1597
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:52,720
unprecedented opportunity

1598
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,839
for all of us and i i think it's you've

1599
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,200
heard me say that

1600
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,559
many people would claim that it's

1601
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,400
hyperbole but i really believe that this

1602
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:02,240
is the greatest science project of our

1603
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,799
time

1604
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:05,200
i'm surprised that the mainstream media

1605
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,720
isn't more tuned in to what we're doing

1606
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,520
but that's okay i understand i started

1607
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,040
off as a skeptic

1608
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,200
um people say well are you a believer

1609
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,599
now and i'm like no i'm not a believer

1610
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
i'm an experiencer i don't believe i

1611
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,720
know there's something going on that

1612
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,799
defies explanation

1613
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,040
and uh and we're gonna try to get to the

1614
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,640
bottom of it

1615
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,119
awesome and i know you guys are i mean

1616
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,520
again just from that first episode i saw

1617
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:36,160
uh it's just you're you're you're you're

1618
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,720
all in

1619
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,400
and i love that i can hear and see the

1620
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,240
passion and uh the

1621
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,559
genuine nature that and curiosity you

1622
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,079
have yeah for this topic

1623
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,839
this isn't you're like you don't need to

1624
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,200
be doing this

1625
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,280
you know like you said skinwalker ranch

1626
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:50,799
is 5 of what you

1627
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,559
do in your daily life or um you know

1628
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,640
everything that you're involved with so

1629
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,319
uh it's clear that you just have a

1630
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,760
genuine curiosity

1631
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:02,319
but it's it could very well be the most

1632
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,040
i mean

1633
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,119
the the most important thing that i do

1634
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,440
in my life

1635
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,960
i look forward to engaging with you

1636
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,799
further and and as you've seen

1637
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:13,040
i have nothing to hide all these other

1638
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,839
fools

1639
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,680
these these other people that are all

1640
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:18,000
kind of playing mind games with each

1641
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,559
other

1642
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,280
in this space and you know have their

1643
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,359
own weird crazy agendas

1644
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,520
you know whatever more power to them but

1645
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,760
we're we're laser focused on

1646
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:30,000
really getting bottom line results no

1647
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,520
mercy sweep the leg

1648
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,480
as they said in karate kid yup sweet

1649
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:36,000
they're like all right my man thank you

1650
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:36,799
brandon

1651
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:18,170
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